27.04.2008

VanceS contributed 127 messages, 2 emotes during 121 minutes. 2008.04.27 04:54:11 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. VanceS: hi folks RickRo: Hey Vance! VanceS: yo RickRo: I'm settin' up for my first trip to Beirut.... VanceS: cool VanceS: what will you be doing there? RickRo: I'll be working with several groups of teachers and visiting schools and such. Again, no time for tourism--just like when I went to Cairo RickRo: Do you know of any live webcasts this Wednesday or one that is recorded that would be good as a demo? RickRo: I just need one to show to the teachers I am working with--mostly secondary and primary teachers this time around. VanceS: this wednesday? RickRo: Yep VanceS: oh, I get it, why not start one? RickRo: Hmmm, I wouldn't mind trying, though I am unsure how reliable the connection will be... VanceS: when on Wed exactly? RickRo: From 3-5 Beirut time, though I would keep the live demos to the end of the session. RickRo: I have a short tour of 10 minutes planned with a prof who specializes in SL VanceS: I can be around at that time I think VanceS: but I can't get to SL from my office RickRo: That would be cool; could we do elluminate or another tried but true tool? VanceS: elluminate the the triedest and truest a mon avis DennisOl joined the room. VanceS: http://tinyurl.com/y3eh RickRo: Hey Dennis! VanceS: Hey Dennis, happy Easter DennisOl: Hey, Rick and Vance. DennisOl: Thanks, Vance. RickRo: Happy egg day! DennisOl: Thanks, Rick. RickRo: Vance, that link gives me a set of presentations--any one in particular? DennisOl: I'll be back in a few minutes. The coffee is ready, I think. VanceS: k dennis VanceS: that link gets you into the live chat space rick VanceS: did you want to try it now? VanceS: do you see a big huge ENTER button there? RickRo: Hmm, it didn't work for me. RickRo: It pulls up a list of links... Strange. Let me try another computer. VanceS: what didn't work? RickRo: I only see links... VanceS: http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?login=1&uid=C542181B09ECCFC49D682F442771CF3E&cid=157024&go=273662 VanceS: better ... VanceS: http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?go=273662 RickRo: I got it now.... strange VanceS: you're a strange dude VanceS: hey, there's also a session moderator logon down below RickRo: True, true. Forgetfull too. I can't log in... NergizK joined the room. NergizK: Hi everybody! RickRo: waiting for my new password.... VanceS: I'm logging in, were're at http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?go=273662 ThomasLev joined the room. ThomasLev: hello! DennisOl: Merhaba, Nergiz. Hi, Tom. RickRo: Hey Tom! DennisOl: I enjoyed seeing the photos of you at TESOL, Tom. ThomasLev: We liked the roses, Dennis! ThomasLev: Also it was good to meet you, Rick! VanceS: well, I'm sitting at http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?go=273662 VanceS: all by myself DennisOl: I can't remember whether I saw a photo of you, Rick. DennisOl: Re the roses, you're welcome, Tom. NergizK: I'm trying to enter... just a se DennisOl: I got into Learning Times, Vance. VanceS: Rick wants to try it NergizK: OK. Was the invitation for everybody? VanceS: sure RickRo: I am waiting still for a new password. The one saved in memory doesn't work.... ThomasLev: it's not letting me in VanceS: take your time, Nergiz is there DennisOl: I had some problems, too, at first. DennisOl: Have you actually launched an Elluminate session, Vance? VanceS: yep DennisOl: OK. It's working now. I forgot to launch the meeting.jnlp file. VanceS: Rick wants to get people online Wed maybe VanceS: he's thinking to use Elluminate VanceS: if he can remember or recover his password DennisOl: I can see the presentation screen, but I can't seem to enter text for the messaging. DennisOl: I can hear you fine, though, Vance. DennisOl: I can't see the whiteboard. RickRo: feels like an outsider... VanceS: naw, take your time VanceS: LT not sending you a password yet? RickRo: I have another weird thing happening on my Vista box with Firefox--the nav bar has been taken over by a google search bar. RitaZ joined the room. DennisOl: Rita! RickRo: Notin' funny because I get the Learning times news letter... RitaZ hugs all VanceS hugs Rita RickRo: Hey Rita! RitaZ: good day, dear friends DennisOl da fuertes abrazos a Rita ThomasLev: Hi Rita! VanceS: are you on a mac or pc Rick? RickRo: I'm on a series of computers now, nerd that I am. I want to get the Vista one setup for the conference, though. NergizK: Lost connection in Elluminate. Trying to reconnect RickRo: Of course, if I can't get this running, I can always pull up a recorded webheads event to demonstrate.... VanceS: woo vista VanceS: that's a tough one RitaZ: whats up at Elluminate? VanceS: what is it telling you? VanceS: I just put up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSinyx_Ab0 RickRo: I know. I may just have to bring another computer... RickRo: Youtube, cool! DennisOl: Vance is just doing a "play" session so Rick can practice using Elluminate. DennisOl: I gather that you got into Elluminate, Rick. VanceS: yeah, neat video too VanceS: I hadn't seen it yet DennisOl: I hadn't seen it, either. Very interesting. VanceS: so when should we do WiAOC next year? RitaZ listening to the video VanceS: Has some personalities on it RickRo: I remember libraries! VanceS: libraries? (trying to remember) VanceS: oh yeah that's where they kept the .. VanceS: uh VanceS: what were they called ... RickRo: those paper thingies VanceS: encyclopedias, yeah, the encyclopedias RitaZ: sheets...? NergizK - RickRo: tree sheets DennisOl: hee hee hee NergizK -) VanceS: remember those? RitaZ: hmmm DennisOl: Ah, yes. I remember them well. RickRo: slow input devices RitaZ: nice video VanceS: when I was growing up, I had one in my house from 1939 NinaTL joined the room. NergizK: I think the next generation will also ask what a TV set was? RickRo: Hey Nina! DennisOl: Hi, Nina! Hugs! NinaTL: Hi everybody! ThomasLev: Hi Nina! VanceS: I used to love it, I used it for all my references NinaTL hugs all around NergizK: Hi Nina RitaZ hugs dear roomie Nina!!! VanceS: course it took me a while to figure out there was a second world war NinaTL: Christos anesti, Dennis! DennisOl: Aleithos Anesti, Nina! DennisOl: Luvit, Vance! NinaTL: I was thinking about you this morning, Dennis, thinking I hadn't chatted with you in ages DennisOl: Yes, it's been a long time. NinaTL: I wasn't here last week--visiting my sister on the Eastern Shore VanceS: Hi Nina, we're all watchng http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSinyx_Ab0 DennisOl: It's always good to be with family. RitaZ: a good video, Nina RitaZ: how was your trip? VanceS: beats watching TV NinaTL is watching DennisOl: Definitely good. NinaTL: There is an article in this morning's Washington Post about just this topic VanceS: url? ThomasLev: I did an exercise wih my students on it too VanceS: listening to the first blogger in swahili being interviewed now RitaZ: good for that, yes, Tom ThomasLev: http://tomleveretts.blogspot.com/2008/04/eap2ww-practice-final-name-if-you-are.html NinaTL: Here's the link to the Wash Post article: http://tinyurl.com/63q8y4 RickRo: has very choppy video reception.... ThomasLev: I'm spending the weekend reading Wikipedia essays NergizK: Me, too, Rick RitaZ: thank you, Tom!! will read it in detail later RitaZ: and the article, Nina, thanks NinaTL: It's unusual for YouTube to have such a long video--I am used to 2-3 minute "bites" VanceS: Andrew Keen is talking now boooo VanceS: or are any of you andrew keen fans NinaTL: Have you seen the funny one about one guy explaining to another guy how to use a book? NinaTL: It's Scandinavian I think RickRo: sometimes I just wish for a full transcript and/or MP3 file instead of video... BeyzaY joined the room. NinaTL: Yes, you can go thru it faster! NinaTL: Hi Beyza BeyzaY: hi all NinaTL: How are you? RitaZ hugs dear Beyza RickRo: Hey Beyza! BeyzaY: I graded s many apepers that I feel like amachine NergizK: Why boo? Don'T know know that person BeyzaY frowns NergizK: Hi Beyza ThomasLev: you can grab it & save it more easily BeyzaY: aand u? BeyzaY: I hop everyone is ok VanceS: he's always fun as a devil's advocate NinaTL: I had to evaluate a bunch of writing portfolios for a colleague yesterday--a painful chore VanceS: great debate between him and David Weinberger BeyzaY: yes the worst part of being a teacher is that VanceS: want the URL? ThomasLev: I think I saw Andrew Keen judging from your comments NergizK: Yes, always BeyzaY: yes NinaTL: interesting way to pronounce "encyclopedia"--the second syllable is almost lost, whereas in AmE it has a tertiary stress VanceS: he's intelligent, just kind of a nay sayer VanceS: it's good to have his perspective DennisOl: Very interesting article, Nina. DennisOl: Hi, Beyza! NinaTL: Dennis, you can't have read it already!!! BeyzaY: hi Dennis VanceS: http://conversationhub.com/2007/07/09/video-david-weinberger-and-andrew-keen/ VanceS: This one is really good DennisOl: Yes, I read it, but fast. NinaTL: Is that another video, Vance? DennisOl: I'll go back and read it more slowly later. BeyzaY left the room (signed off). BeyzaY joined the room. VanceS: yeah, debate between Weinberger explaining folksonomy and Keen poo pooing it DennisOl: Welcome back, Beyza. NinaTL: Very impressive! I've recently been working on increasing my reading speed DennisOl: I'll check that one later, Vance. RitaZ: me too NinaTL: We have "Ultimate Speed Reader" software in our lab NinaTL: While my students do it, I do it too RickRo: has anyone else seen the new program/site (for me) lessonwriter.com ? They had a demo and one of th edevelopers at TESOL VanceS: but if anyone can support his point of view, I'd love to see it from multiple perspectives NinaTL: I've gotten faster, definitely BeyzaY: omg is there a reader like that? DennisOl: I remember using something like "Ultimate Speed Reader" a long time ago. It was a kind of computerized tachistoscope. (Is that the right word?) NinaTL: I started out at about 500 wpm and have managed to get to 800-900--once I even topped 1000 but that's not normal VanceS: looks interesting NinaTL: The students are getting faster also--from 150 wpm to 250, from 250 to 357 NergizK: That's quite an improvement, Nina BeyzaY left the room (signed off). BeyzaY joined the room. DennisOl: LessonWriter looks very interesting, Rick. DennisOl: http://lessonwriter.com/html/index.asp VanceS: how does it work, can you explain simply? NinaTL: Dennis, it has a cycle of different reading exercises: warmups, eye movement exercises, paced reading, timed reading, newspaper reading, and a game called EyeMax which I am terrible at! RickRo: I would only be concerned about novice teachers thinking that lesson planning is passee RickRo: It's now all automatic! DennisOl: Ultimate Speed Reader: DennisOl: http://www.smartkidssoftware.com/nddav41.htm DennisOl: This is PC only. NergizK: What, lesson planning is automatic? VanceS: I used to use that NinaTL: Ultimate Speed Reader: http://www.knowledgeadventure.com/school/catalog/usr.aspx RickRo: lessonwriter.com Nergiz. Give it a look see. NinaTL: I'm afraid I am not really listening to this video. Multi-tasking eludes me. NinaTL: I am aleft-brained, sequential sort of person! NergizK: OK, thanks, Rick DennisOl: Thanks for the link, Nina. The one you posted notes that USR is available for Macs as well as PCs. VanceS: the video is great background for me ThomasLev: I have a good story about academics passing the Illinois Ethics test too quickly because they're speed readers NinaTL: Dennis, you already read fast enough, don't you think? RitaZ: Im trying to multitask, but either miss reading or listening! ThomasLev: Illinois claimed they had to have cheated NinaTL: Hey, Tom, I've been reading your Wal-Mart stories and enjoying them very much! ThomasLev: thanks! NinaTL: Tom has written a book of short stories NinaTL: about crimes in a big box discount store (unnamed) NinaTL: They are all very different and very good RitaZ: can we get the book anywhere? NergizK: What's it's name? ThomasLev: it's on the web too RitaZ: buy it I mean? ThomasLev: I'm going to have it printed much better RickRo: Walmart! DennisOl: Haven't read the WalMart stories. Are these blog posts? DelinC joined the room. RickRo: The evil Walmart! ThomasLev: what I gave Nina was printed on paper NinaTL: Ni hao, Delin? DennisOl: Ni hao, Delin! DelinC: Hello, how are you all? NergizK: Hi Delin NinaTL: I saw a website where writers can post their drafts or stories or chapters and give readers a key DelinC: Hi. what did you talk it? RitaZ still listening to the video, quite long but interesting ThomasLev: http://tlevsstuff.blogspot.com VanceS: keen says "In my view the gatekeeper is the key player in truth ... they're the ones who determine truth" ThomasLev: look on the template VanceS: he means publishers etc NergizK: Yes, Vance, but that was in the past, right? Now, everybody can publish BeyzaY: can u post the url of the video again? VanceS: someone asked Jimmy Wales ealier in the video if he thought it was ok that some 17 year old could edit what a 70 year old who had studied something for years had posted BillGst1 joined the room. NinaTL: The link to the writers' site is http://www.absolutewrite.com/ VanceS: and Jimmy said, yes, and sometimes the 17 year old is right NinaTL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSinyx_Ab0 Beyza RitaZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSinyx_Ab0 the video NinaTL: Rita, great minds... DennisOl: Tom: Thanks for the tlevsstuff URL. I'll read it later. RitaZ :-)) DelinC: Anyone can get it--- Write? ThomasLev: actually even in the brief research I did for my Wikipedia exercise, I found cases where Wikipedia was right over years and years of academic "received" wisdom NinaTL: Our IEP classes ended Friday--whew!!! Now I have 2 weeks more of the semi-intensive class. This semester has been so busy ThomasLev: We're doing practice finals- on the chute through research papers and finals NergizK: Really? I always caution students when they use Wikipedia as a resourece / reference. I wouldn't trust any one sourche anyway BeyzaY: thnx RitaZ: "truth gets personalized" I've just heard DennisOl: Congratulations on wrapping up the academic year, Tom and Nina. ThomasLev: it has advantages, that's all I'm pointing out NergizK: I agree. I like the fact that it can be updated much faster NinaTL: Here's the link to the 2:24 minute video about a guy learning to do stuff with a book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZFt7tXUyU (I ghave up on the long one--takes too much concentration while chatting) VanceS: Keen: when you democratize this, when everyone's truth is as credible as anyone else's, then truth itself is a casualty VanceS: comments? ThomasLev: Actually I was trying to explain to my students what the problem was with citing and referring to Wikipedia NinaTL: Exactly what the Post article says ThomasLev: and they didn't get it ThomasLev: so I made my exercise VanceS: that's a good one Nina NinaTL: They talk about cumul.us, a site where the weather is reported by consensus BillGst1: Some of you might be interested in a session we're hosting about using blogs & news feeds. BeyzaY: my sts tend to copy and paste a lot BeyzaY: luckily I can understand as they re very low level sts BillGst1: I should mention that Vance suggested I come here. NergizK: Hi Bill, welcome DennisOl: I think many students copy and paste a lot from Wikipedia and other websites. BeyzaY: I'm trying to teach them how to paraphrase these days VanceS: Hey Bill RickRo: He's wont to do that, Vill! {:-{>} BillGst1: Thanks! VanceS: glad you dropped in DennisOl: Paraphrasing: a difficult skill. VanceS: what's the URL for your sessions? NergizK: I think helping students how to use the new resoureces is key now NinaTL: Welcome, Bill VanceS: Bill is moderating "extreme blogging' at knowplace this weekend BeyzaY: really? BillGst1: The emphasis I should mention again is on reading and finding and blending. BillGst1: Here is URL for weekend: http://knowplace.ca/moodle/course/view.php?id=220 NinaTL: What characterizes extreme blogging as opposed to regular blogging? BillGst1: Everyone welcome! BillGst1: A strong desire to market the weekend. NinaTL: haha VanceS: good one bill BillGst1: It's free though NergizK: Bill, can log in as guests? VanceS: it's free and unobtrusive BillGst1: Register, please, but free. VanceS: I think you have to register and enrol VanceS: there are sessions every weekend VanceS: elderbob helps organize them VanceS: this video is great RitaZ: wikp is accelerating the process of "convergence and agreement of what the truth is..." Wikip is the crowd version of truth..." (still stuck to the video) VanceS: really an excellent debate BillGst1: The sessions are now being announced on the contactpoint.ca events page. DennisOl: I'm still stuck to it, too, Rita. VanceS: Bill we're multitasking on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSinyx_Ab0 VanceS: it's a very long video, 48 min DennisOl: "The cult of the amateur has found a home." BillGst1: and there is a feed for the events page on my blog at Http://unsymptomatictoo.blogspot.com NergizK: Thanks, Bill. NinaTL has given up but has svaed it to her playlists for another time (when she retires probably) BillGst1: vance, what does that mean? NergizK: We are extreme chatting :-) BernardGst2 joined the room. VanceS: cult of the amateur? VanceS: right Nergiz BillGst1: hahaha RitaZ thinks the video will sleep at Nina´s for a long time...;-) VanceS: I'll have a look at this video again VanceS: it's not bad NinaTL . o O ( Rita is right ) DennisOl: "The cult of the amateur" was part of the Wikipedia video. ThomasLev left the room (signed off). BernardGst2 left the room. DelinC: The truth acording to wikipedia is good. VanceS: to make matters worse we're also at Elluminate DennisOl: Also this: "One does not learn about the world from personal experience; one learns from listening to experts." RitaZ: well...., Vance Multitasker, I think I wouldnt be able to NinaTL: Doing what at Elluminate? BernardGst2 joined the room. BernardGst2 left the room. BernardGst2 joined the room. RitaZ . o O ( Vance is Mr Multitasker, unbeatable at that ) VanceS: nergiz just turned off the video :-) BernardGst2 left the room. VanceS: so we can look at Http://unsymptomatictoo.blogspot.com NergizK: I'm awfully sorry, NergizK: Forgot that it would turn off everybody's BillGst1: http://unsymptomatictoo.blogspot.com/ BeyzaY left the room (signed off). BillGst1: I put it in before from memory (never a good idea for me) NinaTL: Memroy has never been my strong suit RitaZ: but your memory is far better than mine, Nina!! NinaTL: Why do you say that, Rita? MarielaRD joined the room. MarielaRD left the room (signed off). MarielaRD joined the room. RitaZ: bec I heard you tell me stories from books you'd read...;-) RickRo: Hi Mariela! VanceS: ok, Bill, what issues have come up in your sessions so far VanceS: I have read some but not since last night for me NinaTL: Oh, that NinaTL: Maybe Vicki and I have that in common! VanceS: asleep, and I work on Sunday so class, then webheads DennisOl: I have to leave for a while. Time to get the morning paper. RitaZ: guys, I got an email from Leanne yesterday, wanted to learn about TESOL in NYC NinaTL: Does anyone know who wippz is? S/he is following me on Twitter RitaZ: she's in Oaxaca, and is teaching English!! NinaTL: How's Leanne? I talked with her prior to TESOL but not after RitaZ: (Mexico) NinaTL: still enjoying the teaching I hope? RitaZ: I know, she told me , Nina RitaZ: yeah, doing fine RitaZ: very happy, teaching Eng was her dream! MarielaRD: hi. RitaZ: hi, Mariela MarielaRD: hi Rita NergizK: Hi Marieal BillGst1 left the room (signed off). MarielaRD: Hi everybody MarielaRD: I am a little asleep DelinC: Hi. Marriela MarielaRD: It's 6 am RitaZ: where are you, Mariela? VanceS: is anyone else following the knowplace sessions this weekend? MarielaRD: I am a grad studen in San francisco VanceS: and hi Mariela RitaZ: I am, vance MarielaRD: I am graduating in 2 weeks NergizK: I don't know, Vance. I've just learned about it. Is it synchronous and when? Haven't looked at the link yet RitaZ: good ideas, nice sandpit, learning MarielaRD: and I am putting together a presentation on the use of online chatting RitaZ: Knowplace, Nergiz VanceS: Rita is following the moodle tips session VanceS: Bill is moderating the one on extreme blogging NinaTL: Mariela, I see you are new to Tapped In VanceS: but they haven't hit writingmatrix yet VanceS: so not that extreme NergizK: ha ha NinaTL: We are the webheads, a group of ESL/EFL teachers who meet here every week at this time MarielaRD: yes this is my first time NinaTL: You are very welcome to join our chat MarielaRD: that is great MarielaRD: thank you NinaTL: Are you interested in using web tools in teaching? RitaZ: how did you get to know about us, Mariela? MarielaRD: yes MarielaRD: actually when I was an EFL teacher in Buenos Aires I started using the Internet as a teaching tool in 96 RitaZ: wow, Im from Rosario (ARG), where are you now? MarielaRD: in San Francisco, CA NinaTL: Are you Argentinian, then? MarielaRD: I am from Buenos Aires MarielaRD: Yes, but I live in the US now MarielaRD: I have been in SF for 7 years NinaTL: Lovely city San Francisco MarielaRD: I work as an elementary school teacher MarielaRD: but I am getting my master's degree in Tesol in 2 weeks RitaZ: thats so good, mariela MarielaRD: My goal is to teach lower level immigrant students in community colleges in the Bay Area MarielaRD: thank you Rita MarielaRD: and I love using the internet as a teaching/learnig tool MarielaRD: but I don't use with my kindergaten students RitaZ: so you are in the right place now, mariela :-) MarielaRD: Yes, that is great MarielaRD: but when I taugh in Argentina I had my Ss participate in email exchanges and chatrooms MarielaRD: and I loved it. And they did too RitaZ . o O ( Mariela is lucky to be away from BAires and Rosario..., full of smoke now!!! ) NinaTL: Just found a fun thing in old emails: try it! <http://www.procreo.jp/labo/flower_garden.swf> NinaTL: Why smoke? Are there fires? MarielaRD: that is way I'd like to update my knowlege on the use of technolgy for ESL/EFF purposes MarielaRD: Ok i will NinaTL: How did you find TappedIn? RitaZ: theyre burning the islands in front of both cities to grow soja :-((( NinaTL: That is very sad. MarielaRD: well, I am putting together a presentation for a conference (it is one of the graduation requeriments) RitaZ: terrible, Nina, unhealthy!! NinaTL: Were they left wild up to now? MarielaRD: my topic is going to be building l2 skills and discovering meaning thu online chatting RitaZ: some wrere, some were not NinaTL: Mariela, the presentation involves web resources for teachers? MarielaRD: and I did some research MarielaRD: yes NinaTL: How horrible for the wildlife there--no escape from the flames NinaTL: Webheads are an amazing repository of web resources MarielaRD: that is part of it. I 'd like to give some practical tips on how to use online chatting more effectively, or how to get started MarielaRD: cool RitaZ: I have a ppt pres I gave years ago, Mariela MarielaRD: really RitaZ: on "Vindicating Chat" NinaTL: I sometimes use my office here at Tapped In to chat with students, both in class and at a distance NinaTL: and there is Daf's article which we all read in BaW RitaZ: I can send it to you rita@zeinstejer.com MarielaRD: that is great MarielaRD: thanks so much rita RitaZ: send me a message MarielaRD: yeah actually one of her articles got me really inspired MarielaRD: and that is how I found tapped in MarielaRD: Yes. Rita, I will MarielaRD: Rita, are you in Rosario? RitaZ: yep MarielaRD: wow RitaZ: been here? MarielaRD: que loco (Sorry but I had to say it in Spanish) MarielaRD: shame on me but I haven't RitaZ: todo muy loco aca, si Mariela VanceS: en rosario? MarielaRD: I know... My family is in Argentina RitaZ: en Arg VanceS . o O ( porque? ) VanceS: ahh.. RitaZ: BIG issue..., argument between Govmnet and farmers VanceS: and the smoke CarlaA joined the room. RitaZ: yeah NinaTL hugs Carla MarielaRD: yes. I was going to say...all that smoke ...that is so crazy RitaZ: shortage of food, etc CarlaA: oi, everybody! NergizK: Hi Carla RitaZ: inflation, crazy VanceS: oi MarielaRD: that is so crazy DennisOl: Definitely crazy! RitaZ: human beings speaking about caring , this is the opposite! NinaTL: Link for Daf's article on teaching & learning thru chat: http://www.iatefl.org.pl/call/j_review15.htm MarielaRD: thank you Nina DennisOl: Yes, thanks. RitaZ: hi, Carla! CarlaA: hey, Rita. I'm hear listening to you! MarielaRD: hi Carla RitaZ: better not speak about Arg, thats enough MarielaRD: Will this chat session be saved? If so, how can I access it? NergizK: I've signed up for knowplace extreme blogging but not sure what to do next CarlaA: hi, mariella VanceS: explore the forums MarielaRD: ok. I will CarlaA: mariella, you'll receive it by mail. MarielaRD: ah MarielaRD: thanks for the tip CarlaA: i also signed up for the extreme blogging session, vance, but there wasn't much extreme action yesterday...I need to get back to it... MarielaRD: I have some questons about online chatting NergizK: Thanks, Vance. Thought there was some kind of life session. RitaZ: the moodle session is good, Carla OliviaO joined the room. DennisOl: Carla! MarielaRD: are there any studies/articles on the use of online chatting to develop writing fluency CarlaA: hey, Dennis! CarlaA: yes, Rita, I need to get back there. DennisOl: Dafne's article is quite good, Nina! RickRo: I just had someone ask me the same questino recently! DennisOl: How're things in KW, Carlinha? CarlaA: great, Dennis! DennisOl: Wonderful! VanceS: the Knowplace sessions are asynch CarlaA: working a bit and having fun with the boys. VanceS: take place only Fri thru Sun MarielaRD: Rick, were you answering my question? DennisOl: I loved the video of Dudu about Earthday and taking responsibility for the environment. OliviaO left the room (signed off). NergizK: Asynchronous but at fixed times? (confused :-) NinaTL: I missed Carla's video--haven't checked my bloglines account in weeks! DelinC: Vance. I can't get it --- Knowplace. How acn getit> CarlaA: nina, it was just dudu's short video for earth day... VanceS: Delin, visit http://knowplace.ca/moodle/course/view.php?id=220 OliviaO joined the room. VanceS: that's one of the courses DennisOl: I continue to be totally amazed at how good Dudu's English is. CarlaA: http://explorations.bloxi.jp/a/earth-day-2008/ NinaTL: Can anyone recommend a good site for hoaxes/urban legends that has a search function? Hoaxbusters.org is down VanceS: register on the moodle and join the courses OliviaO left the room. RitaZ: Mariela, remind me in an email, I'll send you some urls MarielaRD: OK, I will do that. VanceS: urban legends? CarlaA: Dennis, I'm amazed as well! He's really into English and the american way of life. Also, I guess what helps him a lot is that he reads like crazy, loves cartoons and play station! DennisOl: Nina: Have you seen this one? DennisOl: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/current_netlore.htm CarlaA: Mariela, we use chat a lot, but I haven't used it as writing fluency, but more for office hours and building a sense of community with the group DennisOl: All of those things make him a phenomenal learner, Carlinha. NinaTL: Actually I found about.com MarielaRD: ok, Carla DennisOl: I thought it was interesting that he's Anglicizing his Portuguese. NinaTL: and it has the allegation I wanted to check out--about an artist starving a dog MarielaRD: or maybe for fluency in general NinaTL: Thanks Dennis! MarielaRD: or automacity RitaZ: oh, that guy , an "artist" starving a dog to dath!!!! aargh MarielaRD: I don't know what to call it CarlaA: he is, Dennis! CarlaA: oh, certainly, Mariela, fluency in general for sure. MarielaRD: Rita, I will send you some questions NinaTL: According to the analysis he has used the controversy to generate publicity for himself but maybe did not actually atarve the dog RitaZ: do, Mariela, hope I can help MarielaRD: thanks, Rita and Carla RitaZ -) CarlaA: here's where you can find the chat transcripts of my class that has just started http://explorations.bloxi.jp/a/earth-day-2008/ CarlaA: sorry, mariela. wrong! CarlaA: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ajb6vghcj6h5_102hsw68cgm CarlaA: here you go, Mariela. MarielaRD: ok, I'll check it out. Thanks, Carla CarlaA: You'll see there are all kinds of topics. MarielaRD: ok VanceS: one more http://www.snopes.com/ CarlaA: they are highly anxious low-tech adults MarielaRD: great. Thanks, Vance RitaZ: Vance has LOOOTS of info in his pages, I'll send them as well, mariela DennisOl: Nina: Have you seen this one? DennisOl: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hoax1.html MarielaRD: I also carried out a little experiment with my fellow classmats (grad students) MarielaRD: I asked to write an email to me in their l2 (Spanish) CarlaA: Vance, thanks for the great interview! I decided to change a whole week in my listening course because of it! MarielaRD: and then I chatted with them MarielaRD: in Spanish RitaZ: so theyre stds of Spanish, right? MarielaRD: no. They are future ESL teachers CarlaA: so, Mariela, what was your conclusion of the experiment? RitaZ: ah, I see MarielaRD: I wanted them to go thru the experience of composing email and chatting in their L2 DennisOl: Thanks for the direct link to the Earthday materials, Carlinha. I'll get more active in the class (which is off to a great start). MarielaRD: I am working on it (the conclusion) CarlaA: take you time, Dennis! VanceS: thanks Carla VanceS: I really enjoyed it too VanceS: and it's SO nice to be appreciated DennisOl: The Snopes.com site is really interesting, Vance. MarielaRD: they also filled out an online survey to compare how they felt when composing email and chatting CarlaA: In fact, Vance, because of the great response, Cris and I have been considering a webcast like "people and places" MarielaRD: so today I am going over the data and see what I find out DennisOl: Will do, Carlinha. VanceS: why not have your students do it Carla? CarlaA: Of course, Dennis, you're part of the webcasting team! CarlaA: oh, I'll try something this week. MarielaRD: but I looked at some of their chatlogs and there is a lot of interesting data DennisOl smiles CarlaA: they're uploading and making little notes of their favorite places. MarielaRD: lots of negogiation of meaning, DennisOl: I've been trying to find a good graphic for my favorite place—the Oregon Coast. CarlaA: Mariela, my students are thrilled when they get the first time in a chat and see how much they can produce in English. MarielaRD: yes, that is great DennisOl: I talked to a friend from Oregon yesterday, and that brought back a lot of very fond memories. CarlaA: and i guess it helps a lot to develop their ability to think fast and free thinking in L2 DennisOl: Yes, it must be a great feeling for them, Carlinha. DennisOl: Yes, definitely (re the ability to think fast and do free thinking). CarlaA: Dennis, I'll be waiting for your favorite place! DennisOl: OK! MarielaRD: yes that is great CarlaA: and we plan to keep interviewin dear webheads and friends. CarlaA: the group is so diverse and in so many different places.... DennisOl: The interviews are a terrific idea. MarielaRD: I'll be right back CarlaA: and it's also a great resource for cultural awareness... DennisOl: Definitely! CarlaA: plus great classroom resource in general and just the pleasure of listening to different people... RitaZ: I do agree with Vance in that stds should carry out these interviews..., would be great! DennisOl: Yes, I also agree, Rita. VanceS: I gotta run folks RitaZ: not us NergizK: Great idea, Carla. You could tell your students a bit about the person you want to interview and have your students come up with the questions and also actually do the interviews. VanceS: got an appt DennisOl: Take care, Vance. Best to Bobbi. CarlaA: bye, vance. Take care! NergizK: Bye Vance VanceS: have the kids do the whole podcast, production, etc DennisOl: And congratulations on becoming a grandfather! RitaZ: bye, vance, have a nice week VanceS: cya u2 CarlaA: yes, guys, that's a great idea. VanceS left the room (signed off). 2008.04.27 06:56:01 Signoff